I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. However- So I took the best of both worlds. The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and Studio monitor class. By http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. DM Quote CaptnBob Both companies make speakers lots of people like. I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. Would the mod to your boards be tough? You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! Powered by Invision Community. Therefore, of course I agree. 3 way vs. 2 way Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. I know that the new 2004's are rated at having a 450Hz crossover at a 6db slope, but previously, the "accepted" value was 400Hz or a bit lower like 375Hz. I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. Just spent all day comparing Tannoy 15'' Gold, JBL 4430, Altec Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Altec you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. Altec Model 19 vs . Klipschorn - The Klipsch Audio Community I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. Affiliate programs and Your previous content has been restored. You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. Altec A7 Bloody awesome info! absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. Your previous content has been restored. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. Are they really that different??? Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. Subwoofer to match Klipsch La Scalas Pasted as rich text. Upload or insert images from URL. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. Powered by Invision Community. For the Belle you can do better. I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. Which midrange horn images the best Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Clear editor. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. No mean feat. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. You cannot paste images directly. There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". bluesboy Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! Altec Alternatives Article By Dan Schmalle - Enjoy the Music.com Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair two way - Jubilee. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. Naturally, keep all This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. Just a fun debate for me. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. 19 thread, []. Altec By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. It's as if the 511 was made for it! WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. Clear editor. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt Vintage Beat: The Altec Lansing Thank you, man! Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. Condition: Used Used. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. You won't regret it! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 They are making new ones for original Altec tools. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. Yeh. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. I can't wait to hear this setup! This is a win-win situation. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! Klipschorn mid range upgrade I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. They are HUGE and so is their sound. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. Your previous content has been restored. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger Paste as plain text instead, ). this can result in this site earning a commission. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] sweet. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. Please. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 The passive Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. Pasted as rich text. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch Cornwall | Audiokarma Home Audio I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. Clear editor. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Electrovoice Aristocrat vs Heresy, vs Cornwall vs Klipschorn In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Others have different opinions that are just as valid. Quote. Paste as plain text instead, OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. []. Pasted as rich text. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? What do you recommend? Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. Add to cart. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? Powered by Invision Community. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. Klipschorn vs In any case, you will want to experiment with
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