"Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. I have a hard time with that because the tomatoes are innocent varieties that were developed before GM veggie products were even on the market. I'd really like to know. Not a good fit. Do you have 12 months to wait for it? It's a conspiracy theory website and anyone can post articles there. I choose to evaluate products on a case by case basis rather than be preached to by articles (such as the info one that started this thread) or lobbies (such as those sponsored by lawyers on both sides, or lobbies). Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously in the United States. We offer a large selection of home gardening vegetables seeds with high yields. The movie, etc., claimes a quarter of a million people have killed themselves because of GMOs. Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what Ive had to say, to criticize and pick apart. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Approximately 40% of the rice harvest is lost each year to pest and disease issues as a result of the protracted flooding of paddies. Instead of discussing, either GMO seeds, or Monsanto, or other corporations that are producing GMO seeds, or the availability of non GMO seeds and how to preserve that, youve turned the discussion into an analysis of words and meanings of words, and what I meant when I said what and in what ways my end of the conversation fits in with your ideas of debate theories and techniques. prarie, I'll summarize what I found disagreeable (it was your post, quoted below) and hopefully the recap will serve as the explanation you ask for: 1. [10], In 1981, Ferry-Morse became part of France's Groupe Limagrain, the largest seed producer in the world. And I'm not sure about Ecowatch, but supposedly that is a reliable website with news about the environment. So, perhaps you can now see, how we are a very poor fit to have a conversation? And calling my contribution, 'a mess', that you were expected to clean up. A leader and innovator in the gardening industry since 1896, McKenzie Seeds offers unsurpassed quality and deep commitment to the customer. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. Very early in this thread, that problem was addressed and resolved. I quote your response to them: "Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. Pupilla - That's fine. We have them. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? 3. You surmise that. I will not martyr my favorite varieties as you might. I don't want to see this idea catching on that big companies can cherry pick the best varieties, not let us grow them, and the only way we can get them is by paying $5 for a plastic clamshell of them in Walmart as if they were blueberries out of season. But as far as GMO's, the grubby greedy hands of corporate America will never allow a GMO trait to be given to home gardening in the current legal conditions, since they would then lose all their investment in the GMO patent which is their golden-egg laying money goose. They are a Coop and have taken a strong position on this subject. Just thought I would put it out there for anyone interested. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. Hollyhock Summer Carnival Mixed Colors Seed. And please note, I have used the words you seem to have, and please note how many times I use that phrase when responding to someone whose words on a page I am trying to understand. Please be respectful of my time. I provided eight links and you ignored seven. The first year the company did $6,000 in business. 0000014051 00000 n Territorial is owned by Tom and Julie Johns, who have owned the company since they . I've already made my decision and I did enough research before I did to feel very comfortable with my choice. There is so much common ground between us, it can easily become eclipsed by the emotions surrounding this issue. I see you can 'quote' my post, but what is it about what I said that you object to? ~ GMOs dont seem to concern you is that right? And Ive further offended you, by suggesting that what I understood you to say was that you were torn about GMOs. After Vince's passing in 2006, Linda remained as owner with her two children occasionally helping in the business. Thanks for pointing me in a direction to find a better list of Seed Companies that are owned by Monsanto. Thank you for the link to Seed Alliance, that was encouraging. Remember there are 2 American seed company's. One is owned by Plantation products and seeds and the other by the GMO pesticide company Monsanto. The Seed Savers Exchange (SSE) is a non-profit organization working to save heirloom garden seeds from extinction. To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. Others have posted that the link is on some random site that makes no effort to insure quality information and that anyone can post anything they want, no matter how misleading, inaccurate or incomplete it is. There was no need to be offended, my addition of those key phrases might have indicated to you my intention to not offend you and that my mind was still open to further explanation. I am not "torn", because that is creating a false dichotomy as if I must only bow to Anti-Monsanto preachers or Monsanto marketers. Please explain, what it is about a desire not to see genetically modified seeds and plants that you object to? And OMGosh - where oh where did I ever at any point in this entire thread bring religious beliefs into the conversation? And you are depending on the current legal climate, while Monsanto is using all that money you are putting in their coffers to try to alter the legal climate, so that they will ultimately have control of the food supply. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds It goes against my core beliefs. No. Conventional breeding methods that have become so efficient that the little guy doesn't have the resources to keep up is what concerns me most. That was not the complete information I was looking for. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. And to report something that is fearful, is 'using fear as a weapon'? Ive made a few points that represent my own point of view and you skip right over them in favor of suffocating the conversation with more of your own opinions and explanations and analysis. -- if that is correct, than what you are saying is that you do choose GMO. Again, Nobody, including Monsanto, will sell them to the Home Gardener. That property is bordered by Second and Third Avenues on the east and west and by Burroughs and Amsterdam Avenues on the north and south, the city's northern limit at that time. +w4'h\o6mKk/SkA2?+!>Qbl!=;EINQ$K^7i76Go]. In 1999, a group of seed catalog companies, led by High Mowing Organic Seeds, teamed up to create the Safe Seed Pledge. I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. Then I read: "Johnnys Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole." 0000055179 00000 n Ferry-Morse relocated to Kentucky in 1959. They are reliable, trustworthy seeds you know will sprout and grow when you want them to. We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. You wrote: "Regardless of whether or not only commercial seeds are GMO, a statement by the company that sells seed to home gardeners, that they don't sell GMO seeds, helps eliminate confusion.". I could easily conclude that you were looking for an argument about whether people should be boycotting GMO seed companies. (all are Big ag GMO producers). Seeds of Change is the original 100% Organic seed brand. ~ Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done or is doing? This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. Which by the way, you don't actually know is true, unless some lab somewhere is doing random testing on the seed sold by Monsanto seed companies. And where does the word bully enter into it? The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. Over the years, dozens upon dozens of seed companies have come and gone. But, to be honest, that is an effect more of the monolithic style of farming that has been the standard in this country since the end of the Second World War rather than a direct result of growing genetically engineered plants. The concerns people have a very real. This just isn't true. Your interpretation of another comment is again, not quite accurate. The facts that it benefits them do not prove a point and are not intended to prove anything about Monsanto's commercial practices or the safety of GMOs. Instead of simply looking for companies that are owned by Monsanto to avoid, I can also direct my attention to these small, regional, seed breeders who are producing quality seed that is suited to my garden. Ferry Morse seeds have thrived through the years. You accused me of labeling you. Yes, you read that right. And where does it refer to your belief in anything I said? It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. We got to this point, because you think you make understandable comments but they are not as understandable as you think they are. Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. Pupilla - Not following you. 0000011324 00000 n Hi Molanic - Yes, I'm glad they are not truncating long posts any more. Here you go again, criticizing the way in which I've contributed to the thread. It is a disease where I will be forced to make a decision if the GM technology is the solution that will save the $10 billion Florida Citrus industry. Ed, thanks for posting. For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed. Hopefully IF it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". And even though we have different viewpoints, I've never used MG, nor do I plan to! It is also false to say non-GM cotton is not available in India. I bought them last year and it was so convenient not to have to search all over the place for some of the items. I can't be the guy you throw a million things at hoping one will stick. [And now you]. Loss of the citrus industry will be catastrophic and change Florida. I dont care if we lose Monsanto varieties. I'm simply saying that I don't trust Monsanto. Add to Cart. Ferry Morse has been trusted by home gardeners since 1856. BTW, you only see it when you are signed in. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. Ferry-Morse Basil Sweet Italian Herb Plant Seeds (1 Pack) - Seed Gardening, Full Sun. Our History. For that reason I did not respond to your comments that were not relevant to the points, and that should not be assumed to be agreement, but only my way of prioritizing what was important (from my POV). Sorry. I always support local agriculture! Any conversation, on any subject, even the weather, someone can participate in that conversation in a way that creates an unwillingness on the part of the other person to continue the conversation. The people who are against Monsanto aren't doing their cause any favors by spreading misinformation and the few articles I have read about the issue have been written by people who clearly have an agenda that isn't informing the public, but it to rally people to their cause by any means necessary.
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