(II) Limit one entry per household. The gap means the top round is free to pivot, which is what happens during a nosedive. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. Copyright Gunsmithing Club Of America. Looks like your first post, so I'll say the important thing first.welcome! During live fire the top cartridge tends to be just forward of the rear of the magazine when it is pushed up to the feed lips. You. Believe it or not, this is a life-threatening mistake. I still have a couple Micro Max double stack (subcompacts). Box 1926, Escondido, CA 92033. How do you rechamber a 9mm Largo to Luger? ANSI/SAAMI booklet Z299.3-1993. Same thing with the Kimpro mag. With the slide off, remove the barrel and replace it in the frame without the slide, and. Ive never had any non-magazine problems with it and carry it every day. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. Some of the FTFs were lined up with the bore and partially in, not at an angle. The gun is complete now, and I am fine tuning it to get the bugs out. Your help is appreciated. I have an XI-B, and a III-A, that have been quite reliable with ball ammo. Failure to feed. I am looking for recoil springs for my Llama .22 if anybody knows where I can get some. The slide would lock back and there would be a live round just sitting loose on top of the feed lips. Since my personal experience with RIA products has been excellent. Their standard caliber back then was 9mm Largo, a 9x23 round very similar to .38 ACP. Positive ejection helps keep firearms from malfunctioning. Build a gun tough enough to be carried all day, in a caliber capable of performing a wide range of U.S. Reps. John Rutherford (R-Fla.) and Henry Cuellar (D-Texas.) Should the hook be tighter to the rim? The short barrels of the micros generall deliver a traditional 950=1000 fps jhp load in the mid 800 fps range/ with the plus p loads /85-90 grain jhps in the 950 -1000 fps range. I remember Llama well, well enough that I wouldn't buy one of their autos. A skeletal combat hammer combined with a combat trigger creates sleek aesthetics, while the throated forged steel barrel adds durabilty. I have had no other problems with the firearm. It may cost you more money. They make a fantastic round, but despite the claims, when I finished up reassembling each gun, I cycled a few rounds through it. No substitutions or transfers to a third party are allowed. (IV) Winners must undergo a background check and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. It could save your life. Think of your wives. Since the 1911 frame was essentially built around a cartridge OAL in the 1.260-1.270" range we run into problems with ammo that's shorter. I second what has been suggested so far. (I) Giveaway ends May 31, 2023. First off, I want to shake off a common misconception. Nosedive stoppages usually occur with more rounds in the magazine. Contest void where prohibited by law. It now reaches more than 320,000 unique visitors weekly. Voluntary Industry Performance Standards for Pressure and Velocity of Centerfire Pistol and Revolver Ammunition for the Use of Commercial Manufacturers. I have found that just about 90% of 1911 feeding problems are magazine related. So I have been reading diligently, anything I can find on the internet. The owner told me that the gun was good and sound, but that Llama had gone out of business and not all 1911 parts would fit the Llama, but Stoger was the last importer and a source of parts. The patented Flex Tip technology used in Critical Defense ammunition eliminates the clogging and inconsistency that often plagues hollow point bullets. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. My 22 Keeps Jamming, My 22 Rifle Keeps Jamming, My 22 Pistol Keeps Jamming , are the most often made statements on the .22 forum. Never worked on an external extractor 1911 before but I would think the theory of operation and fitting would be the same. Why? Why does the nosedive gap form? But dont think of yourself. Cheap or not, money is a stupid reason to get yourself or a loved one shot, especially if $100 is what you saved. Various global financial problems brought an end to Llama in 2005. Deployed military should use stateside address. The rim of the top cartridge is positioned over the extractor groove of the underlying cartridge. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have really worried about my 2 seniors and proper care that this stage of their lives. 2016 Texas Firearms Festival Introduces Full Auto Friday! This article was quite helpful. Look it over a bit more and if you still cannot figure it out you may want to send it to us, we will have to charge for the repair but well figure it out and get it back to you. But, its a necessary thing. I had maybe 20-30 out of about 60 rds that FTF. (IV) Winners must undergo a background check (if needed) and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. 2. If there was a nosedive gap, the round nosedived. Because the cartridges rim is in the underlying cartridges extractor groove, it would have to push the underlying column of rounds deeper into the magazine in order for it to move forward without nosediving. Temperament. I am working on a LLAMA 22 Cal. Gelded llama males that do not exhibit breeding behavior or adult llama females can be used as single guardian animals with sheep, My first two failures to feed after almost 1000 rounds through my cleaned and oiled Springfield Armory Trophy Match 1911 using Mec Gar mags -- Hornady .45 200 gr. In the 1930s, Colt dabbled with a third safety; a firing pin block that was activated by the grip safety. Copyright Gunsmithing Club Of America. I spoke with a vet last week and he suggested arthritis right off the bat. Stay away from cheap imported shiite like this. Extractors do need to hold the case on the bolt face but even when they are shaped wrong they will often pass the swing test, as the extractor tension simply holds the case onto the breech face or area of the bolt opposite the extractor. That said, I've encountered your exact issue with brand new guns. - Sign up for a new account in our community. I would use a couple different weights in one pound increments. I purchased my EMP 4 (.40 cal) 18 months ago, loved the look, feel and incredible accuracy out of the box. ZIB GRIPS Llama 1911 45 Acp/9mm. The rest are caused by either a weak recoil spring and a lot of times just shooting form by the user, and LAST and only in SOME RARE guns, truly a ramp issue. Guess what. That is what makes me believe the slide is not moving at all. The Eagle/Metro-LLama 380 is not yet on the scene. Many people think that the only way to get a 1911 to feed is to polish the ramp, but in most cases, this is a band-aid for geometry issues that are not easily corrected with a dremel tool. But why do rounds nosedive? BTDT. Internally there are a lot of machining marks left and a few sharp edges. That is VERY common to the Llama auto pistols. Video of 186 rounds (24 full magazines) was analyzed for cartridge angle. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. You still pay the normal price, our commission comes from their profit, so you have nothing to lose, while we have something to gain. This would require considerable force since they are heavy and under spring pressure. 2) the extractor has a rough rim pick up radius. The Llama Max-1 is a 1911 that speaks for itself with excellent fit and finish. If you intend to buy something from Brownells, please use their banners above. Why should I buy this over virtually any other .380 (or 9mm) in its category and pricepoint? I picked up a few Tisas 1911's here recently and one of them is giving me troubles. The Llama uses a pivoting barrel with a link identical to the 1911 in some regards. What, were not doublling allll Ls now?. Note the underlying cartridge changes angle. R. Sounds like the ramp is too steep. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. Now. Despite its size, this firearm still functions and performs like a full size with a rear sight, a true beavertail grip safety and a slide that racks smooth like butter. Failure to feed is usually caused by either the feed ramp angletoo steepor the magazinenose-diving the round into the feed ramp and refusing to go further. The hook point lands halfway up the groove ramp on the cartridge, and there is a gap of .080 between the hook and the case head. If you havent, consider the situation (heaven forbid it actually happen, but in todays world, you better be ready) where you have to defend yourself and others against an assailant. Sometimes there are tool marks from the machining processes. Im wondering if sig has a harder or softer brass that slides on the feed ramp better. What types of grains were you feeding? The European market got Rubys and Taulers. Spanish Heritage includes Astra, CETME, and my personal favorite, Star Firearms. I talked to a guy at STI about this once and he has had luck with making the ramp a little flatter. If I remember correctly, the ramp angle should be 31 degrees +0.5 -0.0. Pfpppt. They act healthy & content so I'd like to give them a good life at this endstage of their years. I think the HP sticks out of the casing a little bit farther on the Speers than it does on the Sig, and this is what may be catching on the . The Llama 1911 Basics First, the basic design is very much John Browning's locked-breech single-action pistol. Trying to "diddle" a tipped up round into the chamber is a futile and time-consuming exercise. As more rounds are loaded, their angle changes and they dont point as high, becoming more perpendicular to the back of the magazine. I give my old gelding a joint supplement that has glucosamine. Now what? Please let me know if you have any other questions.Emaly, Thank you so much for an informative blog. Id rather have a working gun than good customer service. They are actually pretty fast at turning around these types of issues. #2 and #3 are irrelevant if you live by #1. Thank you! Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. The round has nosedived into the feed ramp and stopped dead See what affect that has. Box 303 I had one of the smaller framed.22LR. For the first 200 to 300 rounds, I had a few Failure to feeds but no other stoppages. The slowest time with the 20 lb spring was 47 ms. Feeding them grains is not necessarily a bad thing, and 2c is not too much. I am having a problem feeding 185 grain lead HPs. Llama took the classic 1911 and shrunk it down to make it easier to conceal and in the process created the Llama Micro Max. As I was saying, both of these guns are recent purchases, both within the last year. What exactly is a spanish heritage firearm? I really liked the gun up til the point I noticed it was rapidly disassembling itself, badly peening the frame, and wearing a hole in the top of the barrel deep enough to worry me. Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. Maybe take the RMR off and see if the issue persists. Then see that it falls out when the barrel is turned over. 1980s llama jamming/ extraction trouble .45 /1911. First, the slide only pushes on the upper base of the cartridge since thats the only portion above the frame. You disassemble it just like any other 1911 by pushing the slide forward to the point the slide stop aligns with the disassembly notch and pushing the slide stop out. lowest angle the cartridge achieves prior to hitting the feed ramp. Resources Lets be honest, even 90% feeding success ratio isnt going to make any one feel good in a live fire situation. A gun hanging up hollow points isnt a sign of adefective gun. 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In fact, the slowest cycle time was 59 frames, or 59 milliseconds (59 ms; 0.059 seconds), and that was with the 12 lb spring. For more frequent use I would probably sew ties onto the chest and belly. Then check your extractor fit, all the rules of extractor fit apply. Maybe it hits. Ill take Sorry, well fix that right way! to Tough luck, get bent! any day. What brand of barrel is it? 1911 style. I plan to continue reading and find what would be in his best interest. The higher feed angle during live fire might help to explain why some people experience nosedive stoppages during hand cycling but not so much when shooting. While I have owned and built 1911 pistols in various calibers, from .22lr all the way up to .45 SUPER, to me .45 caliber and 1911 just go best together. He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns. How do I fix it?, I believe this will need a new extractor. I guess theyre becoming a sort of holy grail. Maybe it doesnt. A couple of things might be useful to know. There are three general types of failures to feed nosedive jams, half-in, half-out jams, and failure to go fully into batteryeach with its own distinctive causes and cures. A 1986 imported by Stroeger. I don't know of any tricks to unload the unique recoil spring system the 6 Longslide TRP has. But ball ammo can do nearly as much damage. Don't Buy. The first round out of a fully loaded 1911 magazine nosedives the most and hits lowest on the feed ramp because it has the largest gap. Pistols that was a great little gun.one of my buddies liked it so much I gave it to him. You finally get to the range for some fun. Colt XSE, $950. No substitutions or transfers to a third party are allowed. New from Eagle Imports: Llama Micro Max and Llama Max-1. I fired my Springfield TRP 1911 in 10mm for the first time this weekend. Even with the chamber polished after firing a round the slide does not move at all. If not, I would file under the extractor body so that the hook can move in further, and hopefully that will close the gap enough to pass the test. The grip safety is poorly designed making you have to squeeze the gun a . Wanamassa, N.J.(January 2016) EagleImports,Inc., the exclusive distributor of Metro Arms, SPS, Bersa, Comanche, Grand Power and Llama firearms products, is proud to announce the exclusive US distribution of theLlama Firearmbrand of Spanish heritage firearms for the first quarter of 2016. Simply weld up that one and refit it correctly. Remington JHPs also feed well, the standard type. If it seem underwhelmed its because I am. Video to accompany the article from John Travis aka 1911 Tuner on leaving the feed ramp along on your 1911. https://rangehot.com/polishing-feed-ramp-governm. Obtaining the right balance can be challenging as many types of llama feed and alpaca feed are supplemented with copper and other trace minerals. Editors Note: We all know the 1911 platform can be very reliable. I just want to express that Ive owned a (bought used) Taurus 1911 for about 4 years, and it has the smoothest action, reliable, eats any ammo its feed, and have had no problems with it. Three-l lllama. Take it to a gunsmith. R. Nonte bushing? The rounds forward positioning could be due to movement from recoil and/or being dragged forward by the slide. Does it make a difference? 3) the firing pin hole in the bolt face has a raised burr. So, you go out and you shoot up a bunch of expensive ammo. Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: American Handgunner Magazine, GOM May/June 2023, P.O. All of their 1911 style firearms are varients of the 1911 with less than 50% of the parts being interchangeable, unlike the Argentinian DGFM-FMAP Sistema pistols, which are true clones. The .380 may be oversized also. When I received the pistol the customer complained of stub jams and over-rides mostly overrides. I was able to find a new recoil spring for it and installed it. When he died the contract was canceled and Llama was supposed to have destroyed the pistol that were then produced..came with 2 serial numbered mags to match the SN on the pistol, Royal Crest. You setup your targets, you load your magazines, you get . It was love at first sight, essentially a 2/3 copy of the 1911 except for the blowback action. I might pick up the RIA though. I've seen people use blankets or quilts and duct tape them on the llama (around the chest and around the belly). I have a Springfield Armory RO Elite Operator 1911 in 10mm. Supplementing browse in a grass-only pasture can allow for natural selective feeding behaviors, which can help create a llama-centered feeding program and environment. He has been on it for a couple of months, and it really seems to be helping. Now manufactured by Metro Arms in the Philippines, the old classic Llama designs are being built with improved materials, quality and workmanship. Is there any signs to tell if they are cold besides shivering? Now, if you only get. Associated taxes and fees will be the responsibility of the winner. Thank you again for your input, I am grateful to find you!! I had put less than 50 rounds of ammo through each of them. A silk pajama It extracts spent cartridges unreliably. No purchase necessary. Please let others know they too can trust SurvivalBlog for the most reliable and practical survival information by voting for SurvivalBlog on topprepperwebsites.com. Cartridge drawings are based on Luckily they aren't quite long enough to warrant trimming. The best thing about the weapon is the looks. (I) Giveaway ends March 20, 2022. Just curious how yours is doing at this point? HAP bullets loaded w/ 4.8 gr TiteGroup in Starline brass of .892-.893 trim crimped .473, all between 1.236 and 1.240 COL. It is easier for them to eat but is still a forage which they can digest easier. EXTRACTOR TENSION GAUGE SET https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/gun-tools/action-frame-tools/extractor-tension-gauge-set/. When I manfully cycle the slide the extractor pulls and holds the case until it hit the ejector. The factory one that came with mine was 16lb and I went with 18lb and havent had any issue since. There isnt any They jammed. This gap gets bigger as more rounds are added, at least in most magazine designs. Llama 1911's are said not to be "true" 1911's in that they aren't parts compatible with "true" 1911's. Is there anyway, using a dremel and a drill press (and other machinery) to remedy this? I have one more question on the blankets are you using pony blankets or what to fit a llama? Feed angle was also measured at the shooting range. Sure. I'd been struggling the past week or so with what I should write about for my next blog post. The first round out of a fully loaded 1911 magazine nosedives the most and hits lowest on the feed ramp because it has the largest gap. This seemed to cure the miss-feeding issue. I recently purchased a Caspian 1911 Frame & Slide at Camp Perry. And then the inertia feeding started happening again, except this time, it happened way more frequently on the last round. It may be hotter ammo and work fine. 2. American National Standard. Springfield Operators are very well built and their slide/frame fit is excellent. Here we see the size of the nosedive gap as the number of rounds increases (small white arrows Ive got one of the single stack llama mini-max .45 1911 style pistols. 5 barrel only Make sure the extractor is smooth and isn't hanging up. I think replacement extractors are still available. After cleaning and oiling the snot out of it, and racking the slide a bunch, I'm still seeing the same issues (I have not tried the heavier bullets yet). The idea was simple. So fit the extractor hook so it holds the cases where it should and has the correct tension. Just a bit undependable. One thing that Taurus has a reputation for is NOT working AND having AWFUL customer service. Measurements from the video determined the rounds feed angle, which is its lowest angle prior to hitting the feed ramp. Two of those safetiesthe thumb safety and the grip safetyrequire active disengagement. You really have our curiosity up. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. Some 1911s are a little picky when it comes to different bullets. Working on the magazine and cleaning solved that problem, but after taking it to the range I can only get one shot at a time. My only requirement is it be a true 1911 type gun with a 70s series trigger. When I was llitle we had a Llama in .22LLR. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. The 1911 pistol operates on a controlled feed principal where the cartridge is in contact with at least 4 different surfaces while it is being handled through the feeding cycle. Nosedive is not limited to 1911s and is common to pistols with single column magazines and some double column magazines. No dropped pasterns at this point, but he is shifting weight in the back to the left, and in the front to the right. The GLOCK 48 and Shield Arms Magazines: A Handgun Combination I Cant Live Without, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ford_Motor_Company#Soviet_Fords_and_the_Gorki. Assure the bottom edge of the chamber mouth isn't razor sharp. It is a nice size and feels comfortable in the hand. I recall seeing those guns around in the early 1980s. It's easy! Please let us know what you find or decide. 4140 steel frame / 4140 hammer forged steel, Beavertail grip, ambidextrous thumb safety. Since the size of the gap and the angle of the underlying round depend on how many rounds are in the magazine, each round feeds at a different but predictable angle. If you plan on filling an assailant with half a dozen holes, it really wont matter whether they came from ball or hollow point. Protein For Llamas. No substitutions or transfers to a third party are allowed. Some go as far as .400 measured in the same way. I doubt the RMR has added enough weight to cause failure to feed. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. I got these two emails from a friend of mine. As with all Llama products, Eagle Imports offers a lifetime service contract for the original owner. Cycle time was fast - much less than a tenth of a second. If seems a bit too big for .380 for its size it could have been a 9mm easily. This number might be a little shallow. The Micro Max has a flared and lowered ejection port to eliminate hangups and rear slide serration to provide a better grip. What will she do if her gun hangs up? But, you will get a much more reliable piece back. Double Feed. Is the slide feeding a new live round out of the mag into the back of the MT case which is still in the chamber? Some mags are better at helping avoid this based on their follower and feed lip shapes, but it won't always fix the underlying problem. Penn State Extension offers detailed information on the importance of copper in camelid nutrition, identifying health issues due to too little or too much copper in the diet, and ensuring that herds . Does it close on an empty chamber? Nosedive is normal in single column magazines because of how rounds stack. eastexsteve - I did try gripping the gun differently ( very tightly and also loosely) and it still didn't seem to make that much of a difference either way. The cartridge is getting hung up halfway into the . Many respected builders seem to think you have to go as deep as .350". Feed way polishing, etc. Let us not be too particular; it is better to have old secondhand diamonds than none at all. The factors that will help determine the actual cost include things like: Age. Because I have to think of myself and others I protect.and, what about my wife who also carries. Being overweight can be just as detrimental to their health as being underweight, and it is a lot harder to fix! Letter Re: Stocking Up on 12 Gauge Shotshells, The most common fix that I have seen is that people will massage the feed ramp and related pieces of the gun by light sanding and polishing. Does that include Illinois, New Jersey and New York? Used all different types of ammo again and both mags. "Llama Firearms, officially known as Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA, was a Spanish arms company founded in 1904 under the name Gabilondo and Urresti. 2. (Skip this one as you have not milled the slide). As a consequence, the rounds feed angle is close to the angle of the underlying round. since I already had many hours already invested, I decided to order a ramped barrel. Box 1926, Escondido, CA 92033. A $3/month subscription. When the cartridge is farther forward, it does not have as much distance to travel before it hits the feed ramp. Oh look, a .380 1911 with skeleton combat hammer and trigger and forged barrel and absolutely zero chance Im coming anywhere near it. I go to the range and shoot the 50 rounds to make sure the gun runs, than I stick the premium rounds in it, stick in in the holster,and call it a day. Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: American Handgunner Magazine, GOM Concealed Carry 2023, P.O. This is because the angle of the rounds in the magazine is different depending on how many rounds are loaded. I did notice the first time out that the shells were snug in the chamber when manually loading, and very snug after firing. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Even the cut checkering on the walnut grip panels was well executed with a minimum of flattened diamond points and over runs. You insert the magazine, rack the slide, and it jams. Or Call 1-800-435-4262. Ive shot my brother in laws 938 and it had repeated ftf and had to be sent back to sig. In either case, you should always shoot until the mag is empty. Llamas (healthy adults) require 8-10 percent protein, depending on their activity levels, life stage, and pregnancy status. Maybe. If this is your first visit, be sure to Like them because they are a 1911 in 5/8 scale (Except a solid barrel link instead of mobile) This one is mounted in a shadow box not to be fired. Then, rack the slide to eject both rounds. If some of the ammo functions and some doesn't, you know that ammo is not friendly to your gun. A. Agent6-3/8 Regular Member. Just for the heck of it, the next time you shoot that gun, grip it really tight as if you are not going to let it recoil. No purchase necessary. They tend to do better with forage (or forage pellets) than grain, but grains aren't necessarily bad. Contest open to U.S. residents only. I have a llama that recently turned 12. Working on the magazine and cleaning solved that problem, but after taking it to the range I can only . All winter he would barely come in for his feed, but after starting the meloxicam he is waiting for me to feed him. BrianEnos.com It must be something substantial to contain the rearward force from the shell. If it will function without the RMR you have pinpointed your issue. The small blue region illustrates the path the top rounds If there isn't any fresh grass they definitely need more hay, on average a llama needs 2 whole flakes every day. The 1911 was designed and built as a result of not being able to kill indigenous self determined Phillippinos fast enough. You said that the slide doesnt open at all. So, now what? To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. For questions about the Gunsmithing Club of America contact our friendly staff using the icons below. Llama MAX-1, $298. We cannot recommend a pistol that does not function reliably even if it shoots straight. 3. Cartridge feed angle was measured in the laboratory and at the shooting range in a single column 1911 pistol with Federal American Eagle 230 grain FMJ ammunition with an average overall length of 1.263. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. It has the durable parkerized finish that many militaries prefer. Ken. I have a Llama 1911 with external extractor. I had no idea he would be considered a senior until a few weeks ago. Location: Brazos County, Texas. You still pay the normal price, our commission comes from their profit, so you have nothing to lose, while we have something to gain. Hes a priest.
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