How was the recoil? ["comment_status"]=> Ordered from g~nbuyer for $1699 and it showed still in stock after. ["post_date"]=> Taking my time, I went seven out of 10. ["post_author"]=> ["pinged"]=> ["comment_count"]=> int(0) While this adds a few ounces, I selected it as an option for testing. POF-USA 4.5lb Drop-In Match Grade Trigger - Now included with . new. That's pretty light. string(6) "closed" string(7) "publish" And to the companys credit, each new revision of the Revolution has both weighed and cost substantially less than its forebear, while retaining most of the innovations that separate POFs products from run-of-the-mill AR-pattern rifles. ["post_title"]=> . Had the rogue, zero issues. ["pinged"]=> ["pinged"]=> Surrounding the barrel is POF-USAs lightweight Renegade M-LOK handguard. ["ID"]=> I had to send it back to POF for a new barrel because the accuracy was horrible. Not gonna knock how beautiful your rifle looks, because it looks flawless. Now keep in mind, both the upper and lower are the same length as standard AR-15 pieces. ["menu_order"]=> int(0) This was Frank DeSommas thinking when he decided to chamber an AR-15 in .308 Win. I have both the POF Revolution .308 pistol and carbine I run suppressed for night hunting. ["post_name"]=> Having built/upgraded 10 AR systems Ive learned the hard way. So if there's no Dictator gas block, what I imagine happened was: POF's gen 4 ambi bolt release and bolt hold open are what made me want a revolution. ["post_title"]=> ["to_ping"]=> That's precisely why it isn't swapped out yet. <p>The Rogue features POF's E2 dual-extraction technology consists of four small channels cut into the walls of the chamber allowing a small amount of gas pressure to push against the neck of the spent case. Next, I moved to shooting prone at a steel silhouette 280 yards away. string(3) "raw" ["post_name"]=> string(11) "Phoenix 9MM" ["pinged"]=> string(1) "0" Custom KNS trigger pins lock it into place. string(6) "closed" ["ID"]=> int(0) Even FNs 8-pound SCAR 17S, which is generally considered very light for a 7.62x51mm NATO semi-auto is rotund in comparison. string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=129246" ["ID"]=> The smaller and lighter option for years now has simply been an AR-15 chambered for 5.56mm or one of the many other cartridges developed specifically for this platform. string(0) "" I would sit back and wait to see how it holds up.alot of testing has taken place for military application and there must be some good reasons it was decided to use a beefier frame for bigger bullets and more powder.. Gear & Gadgets on the Texas Fishing and Outdoors Show, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. I'm having second thoughts, I think I'd either step up to the revolution, but then what I've read about SA's saint victor, it appears to be a tad more accurate, for 1/2 the price My original plan was to have a lightweight semiauto hunting rifle. If you are a fan of this cartridge though, you may want to consider POFs Rogue. I had to send it back to POF for a new barrel because the accuracy was horrible. Our barrel nuts 3 length also gives the operating rod substantial guiding surface assuring constant positive contact with the bolt carrier. ["post_password"]=> FG42: The Awesome 7.92X57MM Fallschirmjger Machine Rifle (2nd Edition). string(19) "2022-12-28 13:47:22" POF touts its Modular Railed Receiver (M.R.R) as crucial for accuracy. Pop the included 20-round Magpul magazine into the rifle and you have an honest to God .30 caliber battle rifle. I put 6-700 rounds through mine and the only issues I had was after 300 rounds and no cleaning(2 days of shooting) the gas blowback got the bolt really dirty and caused a failure to eject. ["guid"]=> It does have a LOT of proprietary parts, including upper, lower, bolt carrier group, buffer tube, etc. string(19) "2022-05-09 09:01:02" int(0) Attached to the rifle via a mil-spec, carbine-style receiver extension is Mission First Tacticals Battlelink Minimalist Stock, which also contributes to the guns sylphlike weight. POF Rogue 308 Win Semi-Automatic AR-15 Rifle Notify Me When Available; . This product has an average rating of 5 stars out of 5 stars from 1 ratings. ["post_status"]=> I think they are absolute genius. string(0) "" A .308 Win AR-15 would merge the light weight and fine handling qualities of an AR-15 with the terminal performance and exterior ballistics of the .308 Win cartridge. No, it shares the drawback of all 7.62x51mm NATO rifles, the ammunition is heavy, recoil is heavier than smaller intermediate cartridges and the mags are bulky compared to 5.56mm mags. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. ["post_excerpt"]=> ["to_ping"]=> } Conditions were sunny and in the 90s with a bit of wind. Using two hunting loads and a heavy match load, across all three options the carbine produced an impressive five-shot, 15-group average of 1.15" at 100 yards. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26706/rogue-2379521.jpg, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/133585/20220525_1446378_jpg-2398131.JPG, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/133585/20220525_152209_jpg-2398133.JPG. The Rouges chamber features POF-USAs E dual extraction system. string(3) "raw" Barrel: 16.5 in., POF e 2 chamber Overall Length: 34 in. There are multiple sling mounting points, including a QD mount at the rear of the receiver. Wrong! Four five-shot groups were fired from a rest at 100 yards with velocity readings recorded with a LabRadar Doppler chronograph. string(0) "" The POF Rouge, P415 and Renegade jump to the front of the line for the new offerings. Take-up and overtravel were both nil, and the break was about as crisp as we could ask for. ["post_status"]=> By switching from machined billet receivers to 7075 aluminum forgings, a different barrel and eliminating some premium features POF-USA was able to reduce the $2,699 base price of the Revolution to just $1,899 for the Rogue. The Rogue comes with a stainless steal 1-8" twist barrel. David Fortier gets a look at Roundtable with Nathan Robinson. And the DI Revolution was already super lightweight. ["guid"]=> POF Rogue Fail ~Stax~ 57 subscribers Subscribe 262 22K views 2 years ago POF Rogue: Accuracy review. To run the Rogue suppressed you will need to add an adjustable gas block which will put you up close in weight to the Revolution. ["post_content_filtered"]=> The first time you pick up a 6.8-pound Revolution rifle it surprises you with how compact and handy it is. While every effort is made to include accurate and correct images, descriptions and pricing for all . ["post_name"]=> rogue-sbrobject(WP_Post)#7946 (24) { I m leaning towards the pof based on weight and the option to get and adjustable gas system easily( wish that had a 18 barrel with a rifle length system). OK, the Rogue turns heads and handles great, but how would it perform on the range? string(0) "" AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. I asked their CS on how to get one. It is very light weight which is why I bought it. ["comment_status"]=> Handling POF-USA's Revolution gives you the answer. However, POF-USA does offer their Dictator adjustable gas block as an option on the Rogue. ["post_modified_gmt"]=> This design helps reduce carrier tilt. ["comment_count"]=> ["guid"]=> Accuracy and Lightweight in one Package the POF Rogue Prescott POF took the Rogue platform to the next level in Prescott in 6.5 Creedmoor. This is not the case with the Revolution. James Tarr gets to talk to Steve Wilson of Rock River Arms about their RBG. While these intermediate cartridges are good, they are simply out-muscled by full-power rifle cartridges like the .308 Win, 6.5mm Creedmoor and 6mm Creedmoor. Patriot Ordnance Factory 01662 Rogue Direct Impingement 308 Win,7.62x51mm NATO 16.50' 20+1 Black Anodized 6 Position MFT Stock. Price of admission is a bit steep with an MSRP starting at $1,899. I am thinking of zeroing to 135 grain winchester hollow points if it all proves compatible. string(6) "closed" The result is a 7 lb pound 6.5 Creedmoor rifle . string(1) "1" POF Rogue (Page 1 of 5) AR-15 AR Variants. The first time you pick up a 6.8-pound Revolution rifle it surprises you with how compact and handy it is. This small pressure helps un-seat the spent case from the chamber. ["post_name"]=> Its very fun to shoot, and yet could fill multiple roles. string(17) "renegade-plus-sbr" POF-USAs patented E2 dual-extraction technology consists of four small channels cut into the walls of the chamber allowing a small amount of gas pressure to push against the neck of the spent case. Took some technique modification to keep from doubling the light-sh trigger while shooting from the bench for me. To find out I mounted a Bushnell 2-16x scope and selected four different .308 Win loads for bench testing. ["post_modified"]=> string(0) "" Accuracy from the bench was good for an ultralight .308 Win gas gun. ["menu_order"]=> The gas key is secured with a staked screw and dove tailed into the carrier for an extremely rigid design. ["ping_status"]=> Complete modularity achieved by the Renegade Rail System. string(7) "firearm" POF Rogue .308 experiences? string(6) "closed" Its numerous innovations and well-executed. ["post_mime_type"]=> Aero Precision M5E1 AR-10 Complete Rifle. } string(0) "" ["post_content"]=> string(6) "closed" Have they been reliable? ["pinged"]=> ["post_name"]=> This is truly an AR-15 with a 7.62x51mm NATO magazine well. It's better now. ["post_author"]=> ["post_modified_gmt"]=> ["post_type"]=> . I put an ACOG on minejust a handy rifle that points very well. Weight reduction was a primary design goal of the 16.5"-barreled Rogue from the start, yet without needing to rely on the use of exotic materials or lightening cuts to the receivers in order to trim the ounces. The Criteron barrels ADM uses blew me away. ["post_type"]=> It may not display this or other websites correctly. The carbine ships with one 20-round Magpul magazine, and no sighting options are included with the gun. ["post_content_filtered"]=> Of the two, the Sig but I'd look around a little more. Give a Gift p415-edge-sbrobject(WP_Post)#7948 (24) { .more .more We reimagined. I agree that it's not a cheap gun, but I would buy it again in a second. All Firearms News subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Whether you are a soldier, federal agent, police officer, contractor, or an American civilian, POF USA guarantees relentless reliability for all of their POF rifles. Barrel: 16 inches Overall Length: 37 inches Overall Weight: 6.5 pounds (empty) Stocks: BCM Sights: None Action: Direct Impingement Finish: Hard anodized Capacity: 20+1 MSRP: $1,429 A new addition to the Honey Badger line is a 115 grain 10 mm round. It was really accurate to begin with, but with the large GB hitting the inside of the rail it was getting some off the reservation fliers. ["to_ping"]=> Wish i would have got the Sig version. It looks like some of the ambi controls are gone, so maybe going to forged receivers is where the weight savings came in? JavaScript is disabled. I have a mix of large frame lowers that I could conceivably mate to various uppers, but I don't expect to find loose large frame uppers in the wild going forward. Just saw this. This slim design is approximately 11 inches in length and features M-LOK mounting slots on three sides. ["filter"]=> string(4) "3120" While the Rogue functioned flawlessly with three of the four loads, I did have some extraction issues with the 150-grain Australian Outback load. string(0) "" string(19) "2022-12-28 14:19:20" string(17) "revolution-pd-sbr" Its a very nice-looking piece that not only invokes pride of ownership but will impress your friends and anyone who handles it. Traditional 7.62 NATO rifles, such as the G3/HK91, FAL and M1A/M14, are all heavy, with the handling qualities of a '71 Buick on skinny bias-ply tires. Thanks Guys; I picked one up today. ["post_name"]=> string(1) "0" I had a Rogue for a while, it was very nearly AR-15 sized and shot well for it's rediculously light weight (5.9lb?). Most of the shots are rapid fire and immediate mag changes. string(19) "2022-12-28 13:46:43" The Rogue doesn't have the ambidextrous features or the nitate coated fluted barrel. ["post_parent"]=> So, why not have your cake and eat it too? The Rogues Key-Lock bolt carrier group differs from most BCGs in that it has a roller cam pin that reduces friction and stress on the part and a dovetailed gas key. An adjustable gas block and heavy buffer mostly fixes the reliability issues. ["ping_status"]=> I like the design of the 716 more than the rogue. I'm 56 and I've owned 100s of guns through my life, however I've never owned an AR. Carved from American A2 steel, the Trigger, Disconnect, and Hammer are all Nitride Heat-Treated to 70 Rockwell case hardness for ultimate strength and corrosion resistance. ["ID"]=> All Rights Reserved. As a .308 Win.-chambered carbine built on an AR-15-length receiver set, providing users with all the handiness of an AR-15 while boasting the far greater firepower of an AR-10, Patriot Ordnance Factorys Revolution broke new ground upon its 2017 introductionenough so that we felt confident in awarding it the 2018 Golden Bullseye for Rifle Of The Year. ["ping_status"]=> string(0) "" However, whereas the lower of the Revolution DI is fully bilateral (with bolt releases, magazine releases and safeties on each side), the Rogue has the more standard setup of only a right-side magazine release and a left-side bolt release in addition to its bilateral 90-degree safeties. 7.62x51mm nato semi auto 20 rounds 16.5 barrel. Internally, the Rogue uses the same Key-Lock bolt carrier group (BCG) as does the Revolution DI, with its nitrided carrier, chrome-plated firing pin, and nickel-plated bolt head and extractor. Here is what he had to say, David, our Revolution is an AR15/M16 upper and lower receiver using a 7.62x51mm NATO magazine well. $1,974.00 Add to Cart Add to Wish List Add to Compare Skip to the end of the images gallery ARMSCORs RIA 5.0 ST semi-automatic 9 mm Luger pistol represents the companys first handgun to be designed and manufactured here in the United States. string(7) "firearm" POF is top notch and the managed to cram a 308 in an AR15 platform. Shopping Cart Toggle navigation. POF calls them "intermediate size" rifles, which is a fair label. ["ID"]=> add to cart see details. I frequently shoot a 4lb 12oz Kimber Adirondack in 308 and its a pussycat with a brake or suppressor. string(0) "" The 1/8 twist rate is not a typo. POF always understates the actual weight. The bolt though is a proprietary piece to fit the larger .308 Win case head, and the firing pin is a longer non-standard piece as well. ["post_password"]=> A patented three-inch long barrel nut serves to not only lock the barrel in place, but it also acts as a heat sink. You must log in or register to reply here. string(3) "raw" There is no way, unless someone else knows of one, to get a replacement barrel to have on hand. 1. ["ID"]=> This thread turned up when I was searching for the factory gas block profile specs. This is due to a combination of things including the muzzle brake, how the gas system is set up, lightweight reciprocating parts and the action spring. It would make a good companion on a hike or while backpacking. You must log in or register to reply here. The Rogue comes either as a full size carbine utilizing a 16.5" barrel, or in pistol form with a 12.5" barrel. I had a ton of photos from that event. This features carrier cradle extensions to ensure that the carrier is always supported by the buffer tube. ["post_mime_type"]=> string(19) "2022-12-28 14:19:18" int(0) Search. The match-grade barrel assembly is fitted to a distinctive-looking flattop upper receiver. string(19) "2023-01-02 05:00:02" ["ping_status"]=> Plus, it has two QD sling mounts at 3 and two at 9 oclock. ["post_type"]=> TESTobject(WP_Post)#7921 (24) { ["guid"]=> Next, I aimed in at my 11x20 inch LaRue at 450 yards. A 5.9-pound AR-15 rifle chambered in .308 Winchester? The firing pin is Mil-Spec other than its increased length. ["post_date_gmt"]=> I know the one thing many of you are wondering is, How bad does a 5.9-pound .308 Win AR-15 kick?. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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This adds a massive amount of rigidity to the overall platform and is critical when vertical fore grips are being pulled on the upper assembly. ["filter"]=> Quick Reply to: I have wanted to get my hands on a Rogue since this model was introduced. ["post_modified"]=> All Rights Reserved. The Rogues 16.5" barrel is made from 416R stainless steel. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Its very cool. I'm not sure if they sell it individually. The Rogue features a forged receiver set, stainless steel barrel, KeyLock DI BCG, ambidextrous selector, multiple QD sling attachment points, and Renegade rail & oversized heatsink barrel nut, all topped off with our Micro B muzzle brake. The rifle has an overall length of just 33.2 inches with the stock collapsed. ["ID"]=> ["post_modified_gmt"]=> ["post_type"]=> 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. ["menu_order"]=> int(0) Online shopping from a great selection of discounted 308 Semi-Auto Rifles by POF at Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore. Great pistol and ran very reliably. string(9) "Rogue SBR" At 280 yards and beyond, I only used the Black Hills 178-grain ELD-X load. Use the weight savings as an opportunity to add one. With the bolt carrier assembly being so light, I was curious as to how heavy the buffer itself was. Back in 2012 I bought 2 POF rifles. Our mil-spec aluminumanti-tilt buffer tubefeatures carrier cradle extensions to ensure that the carrier is always supported by the buffer tube even when the bolt carrier is fully forward. ["post_status"]=> ["post_modified"]=> ["comment_count"]=> ["post_title"]=> string(19) "2022-08-03 09:29:50" My 16" Rogue is everything I always wanted from a semi 308, after going through the many heavy, hard to scope, and inaccurate options out there. -- George Santayana. It certainly held its own if compared to your average FAL, G3, CETME, M14, BM59, M1A and the like. A great deal of engineering went into making an AR-15 capable of firing the 7.62x51mm NATO.. According to POF, the Rogue twist rate is designed for higher weight bullets so that may . int(122231) int(128148) The DPM Systems is actually a configurable design where the end-user can easily change the weights and springs to tailor the buffers performance to the individual rifle. Using the highly acclaimed Revolution design, the Rogue is the same size as the AR-15, yet chambered in the .308 battle rifle cartridge. The Rogue sports POF-USAs single-stage drop-in trigger, which is designed to break at 4.5 pounds. Buffer System for Revolution / REVOLUTION DI / Rogue. (tested) Stock: MFT, adjustable Grip: MFT Length of Pull: 11.5 in. } string(3) "raw" ["post_parent"]=> The POF-USA quick disconnect sling swivel receiver extension plate features a single anti-rotational QD sling swivel attachment that keeps the operator focused on the target and not on untangling themselves from their sling. ["post_content_filtered"]=> ["guid"]=> Specs (16-inch variant, via Ruger) Barrel Length: 16.1 inches Overall Length: 34-to-37.25 inches depending on stock position Length of pull: 11-to-14.25 inches Height: 7.2 inches from grip bottom. ["post_content"]=> The barrel is a very light profile so the balance isn't the best but it's very easy to carry around. renegade-plus-sbrobject(WP_Post)#7947 (24) { string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=128150" ["post_modified_gmt"]=> Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. ["post_date"]=> Swapping to a heavier MGI buffer solved the issue. int(128146) ["menu_order"]=> AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. ["post_date_gmt"]=> ["to_ping"]=> For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. string(0) "" ["post_name"]=> I have now put plenty of rounds through the Rogue with ZERO issues. ["post_modified"]=> I grabbed one as well but haven't shot it yet. string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=128146" Its okay, not what I was really hoping for. It will do MOA with match ammo. What makes it stand out though is simply its length. This prevents carrier-tilt and premature wear of the buffer tube. string(0) "" . Got a 16" Revolution this Feb, and it has been reliable out of the box. 4.6K views 2 years ago This is short video going over my results at 100 yards for the POF Revolution accuracy test with various factory loads including Federal Premium 175gr Sierra Match King,. I'm now suppressed and the way to go with any AR is a flow-through design. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. ["post_date_gmt"]=> Should be able to try it this week. ["post_type"]=> ["post_modified_gmt"]=> new. The Winchester 350 Legend is built with hunters and sport shooters in mind, 350 Legend is versatile on the range and in the deer woods. The sig may be a pig in lipstick as well given the specs but, reviews are solid. These ranged in weight from 120 to 185 grains and would show what the Rogue is capable of. Take into account the radiation properties of aluminum compared to traditional steel and you have 17 times more heat dissipation than a standard AR. ["guid"]=> Give them a penny, and the guys here will spend your last dollar. string(0) "" Thanks for that input gman. string(19) "2022-12-28 14:28:24" Our enhanced backbone receiver also move the uppers natural stress point forward. } ["post_parent"]=> Lock it away from potential thieves. But this is a high-end production, all POF in the firepower department. As has been stated it is a well thought out rifle. ["post_author"]=> string(19) "2022-12-28 21:46:43" You also get an anti-tilt buffer tube featuring a "carrier cradle", a Renegade forend rail tube/tactical . Patrick Sweeney shows us his PCC Competition SIG Sauer MPX. Both have been accurate as well as reliableat least with the Hornady ELDxs and Nosler Accubonds I normally use. string(0) "" string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=114229" int(0) It stands out from the AR-15 crowd due to its looks, integral over-size trigger guard and the sheer size of its magazine well. I have a couple of POF's, including the Revolution carbine, and they've been excellent. ["post_password"]=> The POF-USA Technical Support page has all the info you need to keep your rifle in proper working condition. My question though, when I first heard of the Revolution a few years back was, Is it really an AR-15? So, I asked Frank DeSomma about it. ["ping_status"]=> When a cartridge is fired they allow a small amount of gas pressure to flow backward and push on the shoulder of the spent casing. patriot ordnance factory (pof) rogue. A better brake helps the shoot ability. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. It's heavy, but an accurate shooter. string(0) "" When POF came out with the P308 it intreaged me, but not enough to spend the asking price.
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