The Animals Come to Noah And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. In his article The Curious Case of NoahsBox? in the Summer 2021 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, archaeologist Shelley Wachsmann looks at examples of ancient biblical art and examines how early translations of the Hebrew word for ark may have influenced, in surprising and unexpected ways, ancient depictions of Noahs fabled seaworthy construction. Billy Graham. Get to an online edition of Strongs Concordance & verify these things for yourself. 8. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. I sure God gave some joy to him , very little, when job was finished, when Noah got drunk . One thing we do know is that pre-flood cultures had the writings of Enoch, so it is not like they had no Bible at all, they had the Book of Enoch & the ministry of Noah. God told Noah that he, his wife, and his three sons and their wives ( Genesis 6:14-18) 3 would go aboard the Ark at this same time. are truly awesome for people knowledge, well, keep up the good work fellows. The important thing is Jesus Christ died, rose again, and Has given eternal life to those who have put their faith in Him. When the floodwater receded, Noah and his family exited the ark. p. 35 Point 5 to Clone, is to creation of an animal in the womb of host with out sexual intercourse and is possible today. If Hollywood can screw up WWII movies, with tons of factual, documented evidence to rely on, what do you expect the celluloid folks to do with a Bible story? A natural reaction to the influence of Greek mythology was to adapt the accounts of the gods and goddess pairing with mortals to Jewish belief. A lot of translations on Genesis 6:1 omit the term at the beginning of the sentence; and it came to pass. According to the rabbinical book BT Megillah 10b, this term, Vayhi, (it came to pass) denotes either distress or joy. Show me a scripture that gives them that power? It wasnt until God poured out His wrath that they cared After its own kind (animal & human).., yep its right there in Genesis, its the simple reason humans cannot have relations with horses & life forms of half human & half horse are produced. This is a quote from your article: The Pharisees did not like Jesus questioning their authority over scripture & obviously you do not like my approach at getting at the truth, you are simply taking my approach as a challenge to your self perceived authority, get over yourself. The context into which the words are written determine the use of either, in Gen 6:2 the context is human elohyim therefore the sons are of human origin. For more on Hollywood movies, read Excruciating Exodus Movie Exudes Errors, The Gods of Egypt Movie: A Mess of Anachronisms and Exoticization and Blending into One: The Left Behind Movie, the Book of Revelation and the Rapture.. Paul D., its possible that the book of Enoch that you call phony may have relied on sources that date back to the 10th century B.C.E.. .then you move right on forward & disagree with these scriptures. The phrase tinged with renders tifsei, based on tufsa, frame, mold, mold, form, configuration,, pattern' (The Zohar, p.192). The standing stone inscribed with a human with wings may represent one of the sons of God in Genesis 6:2, or Anunnaki. The Nephilim (fallen ones) in Genesis 6:4, otherwise known as the giants, might actually be represented by a 17.5 foot tall standing stone carved in a stylized manner with the ceremonial attire worn by priests at that time. OR, the Bible, the book of Enoch, etc., are full of metaphor, simile, and figure of speech. NO !!! Or something other than a man to be looked up to and admired? Such a disappointment. This interpretation was based on a reading from the Masoretic text. 19. 6. The answer has to do with translation. Nothing but stories that have been passed down since humans drew on cave walls. Somebody went to the trouble of reading into the book of Genesis to describe Gobekli Tepe: In fact, God's instructions to Noah could have come only a few years before the flood. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children. 3. They were no longer in heaven as spirits.. 13. Why wouldnt they show the giants as good guys, helping Gods chosen? Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. These were rare events, but God had given his angels the power to materialize as humans, a power that has evidently been taken away from the angels who sinned. Deducing that Shem was born 98 years before the Flood, it could be no more than this. Traditions such as Elohim is name for God. Photo by Klaus-Peter Simon, own work, CC BY 3.0. The coin dates to the mid-third century C.E. Where do you stand? He agreesbut to no avail. I am sure the Creator and our Lord were not impressed with it either. Interestingly, the Jews did have an anecdote; Genesis chapter 11, that was reflected in the writings of Second Isaiah. 1st: of all if you read it again, the giants were here before the sons of God arrived. 9. What are you talking about? The statues of Northern Israel were representations of a female anatomy, while of the goddesses of Southern Israel, many were depicted with only the upper body as having a womans form with the lower body reprsented by a pillar. The giants ravaged the earth, filling it with destruction and evil; they depleted the world of food and terrified humankind. The generations so soon after creation, living in an ideal environment with long life spans, were no doubt intelligent and capable. Jeanne, read John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.., this is speaking of Christ himself. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. Wow what a joke. Yes,yes, yes.just almost exactly what Ive been saying in all my posts on this subject.finally you have come to where Ive been concerning how the post-flood Mesopotamian culture learned about the contents of the first six chapters of Genesis. 8. There was also a lost book of Giants of which only a fragment remained in the Dead Sea Scrolls. And all the children of men shall become righteous, and all nations shall These are obviously not elohiym (god) in heaven, it is clear from the context they are elohiym (god) residing on the planet Earth. Dont get me wrong, I study the ancient history of all cultures, and I too, am fascinated by the ancient stone monuments, cities, and monoliths. I am so excited to know more. Why did Noah build the Ark in 40 days? Thought Id post this even though its fiction but there is a character in the film who defects from heaven and is like a fallen watcher so Im still keeping on subject. I think that Enoch writings are key source to understand what happened in the past, in that way we will be able to understand whats coming in the future because Jesus said that the last times will be like in the days of Noah, and according to Enoch and the book of Genesis, giants, nephilim, rephaim & fallen angels were on earth in those days, and will be again for the coming of the son of men. 17 And then shall all the righteous escape,And shall live till they beget thousands of children,And all the days of their youth and their old ageShall they complete in peace. Embellished fictional thesis masquerading as truth does more harm to promoting the truth than if one simply comports with the clearly posited statements contained within Holy Writ. Many cultures have flood stories. The movie provided me with more truth that it is all fairytales. Nobody cared. According to Genesis 6: 15, the ark dimensions were: Length 300 cubits (450 feet), Beam/Width 50 cubits (75 feet), and Depth/Height 30 cubits (45 feet). The earliest depiction of the ark actually comes from the pagan city of Apamea Kibotos, where coins minted during the second and third centuries show Noah and his wife standing inside a box with an open lid. Why didnt God call those offspring giants? when He brought a deluge. (2 Peter 2:4, 5), And the angels that did not keep their ORIGINAL POSITION but forsook their own PROPER DWELLING PLACE he has reserved with ETERNAL BONDS under dense darkness for the judgement of the great day. (Jude 6), . In the Sumerian myth Cattle and Grain, the first generation of the gods known as Anunnaki (sky gods), knew not the eating of bread, knew not the dressing of garments, ate plants with their mouth like sheep, drank water from the ditch. Why dont you put forth just as much effort in comparing Mark 12:25 & Matt 22:30 to Gen 6:2 as you are attempting to insert Mesopotamian & Jewish mythology into Gen 6:2? I simply cannot conceive of the possibility that mixing the mind of Christ with the minds of men can lead to greater truth, but thats what happened in Gen 6 where mythology of ancient cultures are being inserted to clarify Gen 6:2 as promulgated in the Noah movie. Much later after Israelite spies returned from the land of Canaan they compared the giant men in Canaan to the ancient Nephilim of Noahs day. That alone ought to give you some clues for what is occurring here. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth. I have been studying the Bible in depth; with various translations and original languages, for nearly 30yrs. It probably more resembled a rough barn or stable in workmanship. 2. Destruction was coming to a godless society. covering No upper or lower case highlighting, no sentence or paragraphing structure indicating beginnings & endings of distinct topics in those early languages, it was context that fixed the start/finish points. So, whats wrong with just sitting back and enjoying an action-packed, roller-coaster ride with Noah? The waters flooded the earth for 150 days, including the 40 days of rain (Genesis 7:12, 17, 24; 8:1). Did Noah build the ark in 40 days? The Flood was a real event. Gilgamesh, the king of Uruk (circa 2600 B.C.E. God caused it in order to destroy the wicked people, but he had Noah build an ark to preserve the good people and the animals. The Lord commanded Noah to build an ark in which his family and "every living thing of all flesh" ( Genesis 6:19) were saved from the Flood. p. 43 The only way a person can be saved from the eternal consequences of their rebellion against God is to turn from that sin and trust in the Savior Jesus Christthe way, the truth, and the life. There was obviously a very advanced culture that disappeared some 5 to 7000 years ago. Noah built the ark, filled it with pairs of every kind of animal, and prepared for the flood.. As far as I know Paul D., the account in Genesis 6 is not explicitly stated that the sons of Elohim copulated with the daughters of men, not until 1 Enoch 6 was written a few centuries before Christ were informed that this was the case. IF YOU ARENT SHOCKED YOU HAVENT UNSEALED IT. Enkidu would be the only one who could challenge Gilgamesh, who relied on his physical prowess to bully people. God chose Noah as a messenger, instructing him to build the Ark as a sign to the people that the flood would come unless they changed their actions. The only option that led to life was on the ark and they all gave it a pass. It made the story very interesting; giving the viewer something to think about. You should CLARIFY that they was not in the original story of the Bible portrayed Noahs ark as a box, often with legs. Ive never heard or read anything from this Book of Enoch and find it very interesting. These are their chiefs of tens. Paul says Noah built the ark because He believed that God really would bring the Flood and We know that the wind and the rain came for 40 days and nights, but it is likely that Noah and his family, along with all of the animals preserved on board, were on the ark for up to a year in length. CHAPTER XV. As human men they were able to do all the things that humans can do. WHY 40? The Bible's answer. And since when does God bless the evil acts of satan with men of renown? In the free eBook Exploring Genesis: The Bibles Ancient Traditions in Context, discover the cultural contexts for many of Israels latest traditions. By means of this book he obtained divine power, and he became able to cast spells upon folk (Egyptian Magic by E.A. However, the original translation from the Septuagint and Qumran scroll 4QDeut reads that the nations were divided according to the number of the sons of Elohim. There were 70 sons of Israel that settled in Egypt (Exodus 1:5) and 70 is also the number of the Canaanite pantheon, the sons of El. Egyptian hieroglyphs are a great example of figurative picture language or iconography. Did not Enoch live at the time relative to sons of Elohim following their descent? Point 2 JESUS cast out demons. grinding stones and sickle blades with glossy sheen on their bits (the result of silica from cut grass stems adhering to a sickles cutting edge) appear in late Paleolithic tool kits (Egypt Before the Pharaohs by Michael A. Hoffman, p..88). In the current issue of BAR (Searching for the Original Bible' by Emanuel Tov) on pages 50-52 it cites the verse from Deuteronomy 32:8 based on the King James version: think you that thousands of bibles did not exist before you found this one? God sent a wind, then for 150 days the water steadily went down. The gyrations you two use to get around what the text says is laughable. Moses met a god with no image and no name I am = Being. Solicitation Disclosure Statement And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. enkidu-early[1st golem made of clay by enki his helper],earliest giants were 300 kell[18 tall] ,3000-5000ft tall for what its worth animals of ark like fairytale states WERE NOT GATHERED 22 absolute logistical impossible enki taught Noah use clay vials collect blood 4 DNA just like he created us. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one anothers flesh, and drink the blood. Sure the sons of (powers) God did, but you are having a problem discerning the Hebrew & Aramaic definition for elohiym (#430 & 410 Strongs Concordance) derived from two other words 193 & 352 which translated into English means powers, strength, magistrates, judges. This is consistant with Gods explanation to Job about the building material used to construct the earth, when the morning stars sang together, and the sons of Elohim shouted for joy (Job 38:7). In biblical accounts, the flood was caused by God's wrath and lasted for 40 days and 40 nights. Whose lives religious titled them the sons of God, In Genesis 6 the context is to earthly powers because the these earthly powers (god, if you please) are engaging in sex producing offspring, something heavenly powers cannot do, period. I know of scripture stating at the fall of certain angels from their first estate who became bound by chains in darkness awaiting judgement, but if they are bound then I feel quite assured they are not out copulating & socializing with other beings, much less humans. During the Flood. Summary: Surprisingly a time period of 40 (days, weeks, years) is significant. Perhaps they learned to harness this power of the creatures over and against the people they controlled so that when the agricultural revolution began, people covered the site with debris, imprisoning the harmful spirits. Im not sure where this leads, but one thing I dont believe is that the union was not with fallen angels, but perhaps instead with Gods elite beloved angels. Oh well. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. But time ran out. In those 40 days, Noah was obedient to God's will and trusted that God would keep his word. Language, poetry, ritual, and thuoght emerged from the darkness of the hominid mind. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. The NEPHILIM (gigantes -giants-Septuagint) PROVED TO BE IN THE EARTH IN THOSE DAYS, and also after that, when the Sons of God CONTINUED to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones(gigantes-giantsSeptuagint) who were of old, the men of fame(but still men, not Hollywoods imaginary rock creatures). Also, notice each period ends with a time or item of blessing. It seems likely, therefore, that early Jewish and Christians artists, working in the early first millennium C.E., were influenced by overly literal interpretations of the translated Hebrew Bible, which suggested to them that Noahs ark and the Ark of the Covenant were similar in appearance. BGEA is a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. If you think those words of Christ are gyrations, what must you think of the rest of the Bible? If distress, there is none like it; if joy, there is none like it (The Zohar by Daniel Matt, vol 2, p.192). You are following mainstream answers. Believed to be the first temple yet discovered, the site was probably in use as a cult center before the temples construction: Im still waiting for yourself, or the other Paul, to produce the scripture that fallen angels are somehow capable of reinventing themselves with capabilities they were never created with by none other than Christ himself, that is with sex organs capable of producing sperm with which to inseminate human women, in other words re-creating themselves to become human beings. They were no longer in heaven as spirits. Where then did the rock giants in Noah the movie come from? descent? Noahs building project took 100 years as people heard Noah declare Gods warning, but only Noah and his family climbed aboard the great boat with the animals. In fact, Noah implored all mankind to escape the flood. One of the best-preserved and most elaborate scenes comes from the site of Mopsuestia, Turkey, where dozens of animals surround an open chest with four legs (see image above). Havent seen the movie yet, but it seems to me that the stone giants are the prehistoric Stonehenge-like monuments like the site of Gobekli Tepe near modern Urfa in southeast Turkey (ancient Ur of Kasdim, Genesis 11:31). NO ONE CAN GIVE YOU ANSWERS. FOOLISH PEOPLE OF EARTH AS DA VINCI SAID, BLINDING IGNORANCE DOES MISLEAD YOU. The fact that Christ did not author the Hebrew/Aramaic word for angel in Gen 6:2, but instead authored the word sons, is very simply explained by Mark 12:25 and Matt. Ancient biblical art depicts Noahs ark not as a boat, but rather as a simple wooden box on legs. Therefore, if Noah was born 1,056 years after creation and the flood started when he was 600 years old, and the ark took approximately a year to build (see below, then he was 1,655 years old when he began building the ark and 1,656 . Genesis 7:11: 40: 40 days and nights: 3rd month, 27th day of the month: Rain fell for 40 days, and then water covered the earth's highest places (at that time) by over ~20 feet (15 cubits) and began the stage of flooding until the next milestone.2: Genesis 7:11-12, Genesis 7:17-20: 150 because this occurs prior to the advent of farming and animal husbandry which were already established by Cain and Abel. Stories in time grow more complex, the simple are earlier. ..Paul D. Paul D., its possible that the book of Enoch that you call phony may have relied on sources that date back to the 10th century B.C.E. Did Our Languages Come From the Tower of Babel? What gyrations? That ur-god would evolves into the many. The Most High (Elyon) fixed the boundaries of peoples according to the number of the sons of God (El). Why are you trying to make the movie Noah fit with the Bible? The flood was not a natural catastrophe but a moral tsunami. The verse from Genesi 11:7, Come, let us go down and confound their language there contains the Hebrew word neredah (go down) and except for the vowel points, is similar to the word for nard; nerd. Mentioned in Song of Songs 4:16, nard is a perfumed oil that was imported from India via Persia, and its possible that this descent was like the flowing down of ointment (Matthew 26:7). There the partnership society arose and flourished, there hunter-gatherer culture slowly gave way to domestication of animals and plants. His warnings were considered irrational. Why? . The information below is from Nave's Topical Bible. p. 36 think you not that the bible has huge gaps and contradictions and clearly states IT IS SEALED SEVEN TIMES ;7 TIMES CODEX. So much for questioning facts from the film. God then gave Noah orders to build an enormous Ark that was some 1,400,000 cubic feet, shaped like a modern-day battleship, and big enough to house some 522 modern-day railroad boxcars. 6. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. Check this out if you really want to know where he got his ideas: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2014/04/noah-the-kabbalah-and-gnosticism/. Start your interpretation with what the Bible is crystal clear on, not what your fantasies like to indulge in. They saw sea shells and huge bones in the rocks on top of the mountains. Udum is a gift of El, even a present of the Father of Man. Then Keret demands that the daughter of King Pabel be given to him, to which he responds; Return and say unto Keret: Alright, you may have her. Shall yield up all their virtue, all their fame ignobly, I was really disappointed in this movie, I was hoping it would be more factual than it was. Edward Gontar My Wife and I left the theater shortly after they introduced the Rock Demons. Permissions Thank you very much. Today grace comes in the shape of a Cross. Seven days later the Flood's rains began (Genesis 7:11). And by then it was too late. 8. Give me that scripture. This was in direct rebellion against Gods assignment for angels. He says, "Make yourself an ark of gopher wood. People loved sinthey idolized sin; they were immersed in sin. Both works are an artistic interpretation of the original story, retold in order to appeal to a modern audience.
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