Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Agree with the author 100%. Now, to rein in this trip into the weeds. Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. It worked before. There we go. Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol." Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. So far there have been 14 production experiences.Has a professional production and R & D team, and . Try it with any style sidearm. The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. Sacrilegious. Length: 7.3. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. On Firefox for my Linux machine it even goes right to the place on the page I was when I saved. Cocked and locked . It was a girl participating in a shooting contest. Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. Carry your GLOCK pistol chambered without worry, the same as every other modern striker fired pistol on the market. I think the controversy is whether or not a loaded magazine with an empty chamber constitutes an unloaded gun. Recently retired the PPK in favor of a Sig P365. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. Ive dropped a loaded Glock once, actually the only pistol Ive ever dropped in my life. The Glock 19 pistol was initially produced in 1988. Stop buying Glocks. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. I carry a LC9, no problem. The reason that the Israelis carry with an empty chamber is because Israel does not have a concept of self defense. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! Must not be working on it very hard. A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. Big Bill: Yup. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually become really popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Its interesting to note that Massoud Ayoob reported that when one Police Department got fed up with all the accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to a double action only auto that accidental discharges dropped to almost zero. However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. Why, I havent the slightest idea. As a top performer in reliability and safety tests, it quickly entered into the Austrian military and police service. We can talk about home carry vs guns hidden in various locarions in the house. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. You know, due to the stress of OH MY GOD SOMEONES BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AND HES GOT A GUN! Only ONE centerfire pistol? Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. Capacity: 15 rounds. I didnt mention this stuff because in the original post because the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible. Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. Unlikely. . you roll the dice. Never happened yet I would rather shoot myself in the leg but still be in fight than have bad guy shoot me because I didnt have a chambered round. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. The most obvious one is we have an external safety. Ho Hum, Well written Thats not a very fresh idea. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. Height: 5.4. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. 7. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. This also means that if the firing pin somehow gets enough inertia to hit the primer, from some other source than the hammer (whatever that source might be), and then the round in front of the pin suddenly ceases motion, the firing pin will continue forward into the round anyway, no matter what the hammer, trigger, barrel, or etc, do. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. Its part of being human. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. With any decent holster you will be fine. Is it just something one has to get used to? . Apply the 21 foot rule. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective it still gives me options. . KAER adhere to the business philosophy of customer first, service first, quality first, and provide our customers with high-quality products and perfect service.. We are a professional manufacturer dedicated to the production of gun safes, safe box, pistol safe and other security products. These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? And, sorry youre a confused fool. But carry the way you feel comfortable. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. The first click is there so the hammer isnt resting on the cartridge. If you can have a momentary lapse of judgement handling a half million ft/lbs you could certainly have one while handling 350. Whats the controversy? No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. If you carry a modern pistol with an exposed trigger, you are own your own. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. In my own case I carry a gun because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT and being prepared for the defense of my life is a purely secondary concern. you are correct. If a person was going to leave a gun in Condition 3, they had better practice loading and firing the pistol, because not doing so just might get them killed. 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. 3 your support hand may not be available. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. Or a musket? If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. If youre going to pocket carry, get a pocket holster. We can talk about the merits of being able to shoot effectivly one handed. But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. My opinion. And my Ruger .357. Sad, isnt it? Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. From someone that ignorant, nothing he says or does would surprise me. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. Every time I drive. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. Question: If it lands on its muzzle could it not go out-of-battery? Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. The Israelis do it, and I do too. I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. There are lots of better choices out there than the glock. Same here. Glock dominates the handgun market in both the United States and around the globe. Nice catch. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. Have you ever negligently turned down the wrong way of a one way street? There is an old article in the LA Times and National Intrest that claims Glocks are accident-prone and overly dangerous pistols. Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. 1) either way you do it it takes Training, 2) ya silly ass might forget to flip the safety an fire so there is you 3 seconds, 3) the bullet may not fire, in which case you have to chamber anyway. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. 1; 2; Next. Widen your horizons. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? This Glock pistol does have a super-slim . Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Perfect analogy. Nor with his next, more significant error, suggesting that floating or inertial firing pin guns (like a 1911) ARE drop safe with a round in the chamber, even though all such firearms with a round in the chamber WILL fire if dropped on their muzzle? Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . And so easy to correct. Oh - And my Cobra .22 has one round in EACH chamber. Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Have you ever negligently ran a red light? I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. The odds are not in favor of the added time it takes to try and chamber a round, let alone the stress of a real situation. We do all make mistakes. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? Even some shotguns will do that. Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. An unchambered gun is a dangerous, useless-to-you half measure. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? While carrying or holstering? He thinks. You always have time to do that. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. so the theory still stands, if you dont want a negligent discharge, dont be negligent. That was back in the 1970s somewhere. I carry locked, loaded with a extra clip close by. . Which, of course, is why its better to keep your self-defense gun be it a concealed carry pistol or home defense gun or whatever with a round in the chamber. How often are you a klutz when driving a car? Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. Yes. Belittle all you like, there is only one gun in my house which I will not keep around fully loaded, and that is my one Glock.
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