A lot of chainsawing has been going on. GRSM posted Fire Information signs in the area explaining their monitoring strategy due to vertical cliffs, narrow rock ridges and steep drainages. Whomever is in charge locally for the NPS should also be summarily fired. I dont understand, but I dont judge. Your reply well done! Also, lots of hills in the area washed to bedrock by cloud burst and slides. The helicopter worked until it had to refuel and then two other Type 1 helicopters took its placeuntil dark. We need to hold, that experience though often shared, does not fit into every mold, because in the real world though some laws are universal, there is always changing variable and situations are never really exactly the same. I have been on both sides of that equation before and still real-ling from my own losses that will negatively affect me and my family for life, because no one took the time to question or look into the story presented to them by those authorities in charge. When the fire started on Chimney Tops I thought surely the National Park Service would take necessary steps to put it out quickly because of the sure danger of it spreading. Even if the new construction doesnt suffer from the eventual degradation of the old foundation, years after you have rebuilt and want to sell your cabin, due to prior disclosure malls when you tell a prospective buyer that your foundation went through the 100 year fire which burned your foundation at 1400 to 3000 F, only a fool would buy it. There was a tree down on road out but we were able to drive around it. Being that were neighbors with these people, its people that we love. National Park Service says never push a slower friend down when escaping a bear, Knoxville utilities crews work to restore power after intense storms, Missing elderly Knoxville woman last seen at hospital, police say, Vols drop to 5-seed in SEC Tournament after falling at Auburn, 79-70. the downtown fire on Oct. 9 that killed one person and injured another. No. You forgot lack of funding to adequately staff the park. The facts are clear that this was not the appropriate action taking during the initial stages of the Chimney Top 2 wildfire. A complex set of contributing factors no doubt, many that fell on deaf ears until they had to open eyes! Without sufficient safe zones being created in advance each road was easily blocked either by fire or debris. What did City officials not understand about the approaching danger? The Seiver County Medical Examiner's office identified the man as 54-year-old Joe Martin Bates, according to the City of Gatlinburg. For now there is heartbreak and hindsight on the part of every one now. Ash move in quickly after a fire, and through the yearly process of shedding their leaves, make it difficult for seeds from the Red Spruce/Fraser Fir/Hemlocks to make an effective seed-soil contact, thus when we lose one of these magnificent evergreen forests, it truly is a tragedy in more ways than one. At the official Gatlinburg weather station recognized by the NWS 0.73 inch was recorded on Tuesday. Yes, there had been many fires in the southeast during the 6 to 8 weeks before the fire started in Great Smoky Mountains NP, but it is my understanding that at that time they had diminished and there may have been significant firefighting resources available. Neddo said total shock is the only way to describe how he feels. After action reports with ample opportunity for community input led to better pre-fire management and intra-agency coordination of resources. Unfortunately, Im not optimistic about the inter-agency review. Jeannines comments were spot on. I doubt that anyone other than the arsonists intended to cause harm in any way here, and knowing the ages of those who lit the fire, I doubt that they themselves had any idea of the potential outcome. I did not rely on a fire weather service for my information even though I new where to look, I used much of the common everyday information available to the open community, the data I had learned from and observed during the short time of being in this area, and current observations. I am a management specialist and I understand how to plan, and implement risk-protection and safety in many kinds of settings, to address various threats to people. Increasing cloudiness and strong southerly winds on Monday ahead of the next storm system. They had access to the same fire flight info from Sundays flyover that other agencies had. Published: Oct. 11, 2022 at 5:31 PM PDT GATLINBURG, Tenn. (WVLT) - Four downtown Gatlinburg businesses are picking up the pieces after a fire Sunday morning destroyed their building. So whether the defendants started the 14th fire or not, a close examination of this Facebook press release indicates the fire apparently started on the 13th; and yet a social media photo post claims the 12th clearly showing a lack of response once again in fire suppression by the NPS. On the radio, a man in the Forestry truck was somewhere around the Roaring Fork area (as I recall) looking for possible spot fires reported near a residence and was talking about the strong winds. A temporary evacuation refuge with limited services is located at Max Hasse Community Park . As citizens we should be aware of all threats we face and expect our leadership to plan ahead as best they can. I was on the Party Rock fire in NC and our IMET was predicting that storm event 3-4 days before it happened. The reason that is a point is IMT has experience far beyond any fire teams in east TN or GSMNP, especially with wind-driven wildfires. Our house sat below the road about 30 feet. This was done to simply to avoid tort liability claims even though a claim was filed; and to avoid accountability. I also noted that the use of Red Flag Alerts and prescribed burning around some of the more populace areas was both lacking, and being conducted during predicted high wind conditions. I would hope that we would fund the National Park Service much better so that cost-cutting is not so high on their priorities. Have a wildland fire news tip? Just a reminder to all, wildfires knows no boundaries, political beliefs, policy or management decisions just simple laws of physics and science from S-190: Basic Fire Behavior fuels, weather, topography and an ignition source plus extreme, well documented, long term drought conditions equals a recipe for conflagration, death and destruction. If this is the same Bob Stanton commenting here, then the bias is way too obvious. Though Im missing the boat a little here, my questioning is still legitimate being that any managed ignited fire can still get out of control adding to an existing wildfire or creating one. I guess they are helping the people they always help and the rest of us are out of luck. Years ago, the NPS wasnt maintaining the churches in Cades Cove of the Smokies. I said a quick prayer for safety and we started up hill to leave our truck. I told her my concerns of fire, traffic, and falling trees blocking flow of traffic were there an emergency. I only lost my house, but someone has to speak the truth about what did/didnt happen that day/night. if/when evacuation notice was given. You cannot predict an outcome of fight first and fast any better than you did letting thousands of property burn and 15 people die. There will be legal repercussions because of incompetence. Those decisions had to be made with the best information available at the time not what we now know in post incident critique. Money and CNN. A voluntary evacuation should have been issued at least 36 hours before the fire exploded. But fires are getting nastier everywhere and folks keep saying past fire history isnt as good a guide as it used to be. perish, but for the 14 who did, I look forward to seeing the report when it comes out. Crews working a Gatlinburg structure fire that began early Sunday morning discovered a body. The wildfires caused millions of dollars in damage. Gatlinburg Fire Department crews responded to the scene and received help from Pigeon Forge Fire Department, Pigeon Forge Police Department, Sevierville Fire Department, Pittman Center Volunteer Fire Department, Sevier County Emergency Management Agency, Sevier County Medical Examiners Office and Sevier County Ambulance Services. Holding the responsible people accountable is the only course of action that honors what was lost. Ive been told by others that they were waiting for the rain to move in based on the forecast and it didnt arrive when they expected so in the meantime they did nothing. It is this same type of think tank and diversity we need in reaching a host of solutions to our complexity of problems both in this situation and in all others. Their lack of extended skill training is apparent. This come from long time residents, The prices we have been getting should be considered price gouging because that is exactly what it is. Guessing the fire spotted from the Chimneys, to Bullhead, then on to Twin Creeks area. That didnt happen here. There will be no access to Wiley Oakley or Westgate from the Spur. What about firefighter safety? Thats exactly what I plan on doing and recording the calls so that if they dont take action they an explain to the public why after getting all of these calls with people pleading for them to take action. Deciding to keep air resources in reserve for initial attack on new starts rather than wash the fire off chimney tops was a good decision. I responded that the climate is changing, and so are other related situations, and there will be. What really was going on here? Considering the record of wind gusts between 5-6pm and that the fire had jumped US 441, NPS calling Gburg Fire Dept. For the most current information about the Chimney Tops 2 Fire at Gatlinburg, see our articles tagged Chimney 2 Fire. Those with information are urged to contact the Tennessee Arson Hotline at 1-800-762-3017 or the GFD at 865-436-5112. Its sad. and last updated 4:48 AM, Apr 05, 2022. GALLATIN, Tenn. (WTVF) Wildfires have ravaged Sevier County six years after deadly fires destroyed parts of Gatlinburg. Intense, deep burning fires with significant downwind spotting should be expected. The smoke steadily became thicker as the days passed and friends were showing pictures of the Chimneys on fire. Jeannine, what an awesome, in-depth and thoughtful response. I doubt it as the experience there is of fast moving potentially devastating fires. Though it will never be heard in our courts today, dont think the Almighty isnt going to bring it to Light; for human death was involved and the facts were dodged plan and simple. If the Park Service had done there job in the first place and City and County leaders would have stepped in and done something this could and would have been prevented. Along with other Park issues like un-managed timber (very limited burns, mostly fields, not forested areas), we concluded the saying demolition by neglect. The steepness here is epic, the only way out of valleys this steep is straight down or up, your lucky not to hit a waterfall. Wildfire experts have been warning local government officials about the potential for a fire of this magnitude for years. Over 130 sustained injuries, and 1,684 structures have been damaged or destroyed. A club . Oct. 11, 2022, at 10:27 a.m. 1 Dead in Gatlinburg Fire That Affected Travel to Smokies. China Bazaar, Puckers Sports Bar, Cafe 420,. That afternoon a Chinook Type 1 helicopter (Type 1s are the largest helicopters used on wildfires) began dropping water on the fire, refilling at Fontana Lake 13 miles to the southwest, according to a source we talked to who didnt want their name disclosed because they were not authorized to speak on the subject. I thought if we were have to leave we could take both vehicles to our friends house to sit out the night. I hope the governors investigation team finds all of the miscues AND gets proper training for all the different agencies involved.
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